Matthew Skail
▶ Godbound
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

Question about Webweaver, from Networking

Why is this an Advanced Gift? All it allows you to do is create a network and computers. While that's kinda cool, you already are connected to every computer in a mile and can use them as though you are touching them. There are no mechanics for computer effects, speeds, or anything like that, so this seems like a fluff power that, at best, allows you to use your word anywhere you might be in the world. That feels really like a Lesser Gift to me. Am I missing something?

Michael Blank
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

There is no upper radius on the gift. Eventually, it would create a globe spanning network. Some of the gifts function on any network connected to a node within a mile, so that eventually makes it worldwide for those too.

Matthew Skail
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

Sadly, no, that's not how the powers work. Networking is weird and in some ways super limited. Other than viral meme, all of the powers are limited to one mile from the Godbound. Why this is the case boggles me, as data is rarely stored locally anymore, meaning a user of this word that doesn't live near a data centre is severely limited.

Don't get me wrong, growing computing devices and satellites is awesome, but mechanically I don't see it having a huge in game inpact.

Michael Blank
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

Black Hole also functions based on "connected to a network" basis, but the inherent ability does too.

"They are always effectively connected to any computing device within a mile, knowing its function and location, along with any other devices that are on a network connected to the affected nodes."

If you have a world wide network, you only have to be within a mile of one node to reach the whole world, based on how I read that.

Matthew Skail
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

So, you need a gift to use one other power and your basic ability freely, and that is only after you spend literally millions of days growing a network over the entire globe.

That's an awful lot of overhead. I still don't see how it's an advanced gift.

Michael Blank
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

12,451 days to cover Earth. A little less than 35 years.

I also think it is weak overall, but I think the fact that it is, essentially, a massive Dominion spend with possible opposition bypassed by the gift is why it is a greater gift.

Matthew Skail
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

Considering the amount of campaign time it would require, it's lack of mechanical impact, and narrow usefulness (a gift and a half) I think I am going to treat it as a lesser gift.

Now I just need to figure out a replacement gift.

Michael Blank
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

+Matthew Skail how about something like "Neural Net" to allow them to network together minds?

Kevin Crawford
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

With Web Weaver, in 3,959 days you will have interpenetrated an entire Earth-sized planet, including its molten core and low orbital region, with a network under your control. You will have done this automatically, with no Effort expense, no Dominion cost, and no possible resistance short of Divine-grade pushback. It's a Greater Gift because it's more or less a constant background terraforming of any game setting into a world where most of your powers are effectively inescapable.

Matthew Skail
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

+Kevin Crawford How do you work that math?

How does it make your powers inescapable? You are still limited by the one mile range on most of your powers.

Kevin Crawford
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

Edit Warrior and Data Gestalt are effectively worldwide if you are within range of any computer connected to the internet. Edit Warrior lets you rewrite executables and Rewrite Programming lets you imbue machines with human-grade intelligence in pursuit of a specific goal. You essentially have complete control over the Internet and every machine connected to it.

Michael Blank
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

+Kevin Crawford I was figuring up my 12k days number based on circumference not thinking about going through the core. Even with that, the Earth is almost 9k miles in diameter, so I can't follow that math myself. It is 1 mile per day, right?

Kevin Crawford
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

Quite right- I was thinking "radius of earth" instead of "diameter of earth", and it's not likely a Godbound's going to be taking up residence at the earth's core. Well, without the right Words.

Michael Blank
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

+Kevin Crawford Ego the living planet.

Michael Blank
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

+Kevin Crawford would it create a network in space if you were living on a ship?

Matthew Skail
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

+Kevin Crawford True, but you already have that, at least to the vast majority of computers because they are plugged into the Internet. You don't need Web weaver because you can still just spend an effort for the day to get to those computers as long as you are near any device with an Internet connection. And most Pcs aren't going to spend the time turning earth into cybertron so if they really need to hack a server that is offline they would probably travel to it (or within a mile anyway).

At least that is how I am reading those powers. Am I picking them up wrong?

Now, if Web weaver made every connected device act as though it were within one mile of.you, I could see more appeal.

Jon Moyer
2018-11-05T16:56:56.321Z

As a house rule, I'd allow Godbound with Web Weaver to use raw network materals (i.e., wires) to create hindering/ensaring zones, similar to Earth's Builder of Mountain Peaks. I would rule that it still take 10 minutes of concentration to make cutting edge components, but I would allow raw materials to be made more quickly.