Carl Pellegrini
▶ Godbound
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

I was just thinking that going the Dark Sun route could be perfect to show the collapse of the world. Not the who psychic thing but having the world be a desert. It is into this decaying world that the player Godbound appear. Maybe in a village or at an oasis or something.

What's cool is that since the world is a desert it's easy for ruins and reics to simply appear in the sands after a storm. Hehe

I was thinking that maybe the world is falling apart so much that celestial shards are needed to make permanent environment changes. Another thought could be to add widespread low level wards to the world to represent supernatural decay.

Some of the locations could still exist from the book, just without oceans. The Bright Republic is a citystate of modern tech. The Vissio trading towns. And others.

What makes this particularly cool to me either the works of the players to heal the world become easily visible. If the heroes plant a great tree and return nature that clearly shows on the map.

Just a thought.

Mike Thompson
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

Keeping the Dragon King's (as living gods) would be natural opponents

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

+Mike Thompson that would be quite true. Them as, say, parasite gods give great reason for some of the current day events. Plus they are good foes for the players to have to go against.

I would definetly change the backstory, but there basic existence as Dark Sun describes it is really good.

Bob Something
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

One neat thing that Dark Sun explains quite well in the (admittedly shockingly good) 4th edition setting book is that while Athas is mostly 'desert', in practice the sand-and-dunes type deserts only compose a fraction of it, as there are many other types of desolated landscapes such as salt plains, dry savanna and expanses of exposed and barren rocks.

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

+Bob Something yeah I have to agree. In fact after going through my files of Dark Sun content the 4th edition one is the most organized and efficient to read through.

But your point is brilliant yes the world is a desert, but that means so much more than simply unending sand.

What's also cool is the idea of what is now a massive valley could have one been a lake bed. Truthfully the idea of walking through what was once an ocean to an island is kind of brilliant to me.

Mike Thompson
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

I'll have to pick up the 4th edition material, I've not seen it, I'm more old school.....

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

+Mike Thompson it's actually pretty useful even from a perspective of not playing 4th ed. What is really cool is it takes years of slow development and puts it all together into a nice whole.

Bob Something
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

I'd say Dark Sun 4th is a pretty good 'reboot' of the setting and it even managed to integrate some of the 4e stuff into Athas without too much of an issue. What surprised me is that, perhaps because they had learned from the blunder that were 4e Forgotten Realms and Eberron that they flat out declared some races/classes to not exist AND had the brilliant idea to take two of the 4e races and their pre-existing feats and other game material and use their statline for what were once Athas-exclusive races.

I'd say the 4e DS book is well worth finding even if its to mine for ideas and running back the setting in one's edition or system of choice.

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

+Bob Something I both second and third that. Honestly, you out it perfectly.

I will add that they made such a good book that wh an I attempted to read 2nd edition Dark Sun stuff I was actually going "I like the 4th ed better". Which I did not do or Forgotten Realms at all!

Bob Something
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

It really is the best guidebook to Athas. And, going back to Godbound, Athas is truly something fitting of something a couple decades or maybe a century off being a 'corpse world'. If there is one D&D setting which could be re-imagined as a realm for Godbound it truly is the setting for Dark Sun.

Bob Something
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

Of course, once you loose Godbound upon Athas...nothing will ever be the same!

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

+Bob Something Which to be honest is kind of how I see a setting for a Godbound campaign. I mean I know it doesn't have to be that way but for me having the players go from "proto beings in a world nearly dead" to "the gods of a pantheon of a revitalized world" just sounds perfect.

Though I admit to liking the idea of using the Netheril magic of floating mountain creation. It would be cool especially if the world below is nearly dead.

I also like the idea of the Godbound players finding / creating a sort of Tree of Life which aids in bringing back nature in the place it's rooted.

Dark Sun in many ways aids in that sort of design.

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

Honestly, that's why I wouldn't have it be Athas. Just an Athas like world. Hehe

For example the supremacy of psionics is not really there. Neither is defialing magics. Additionally the past would be slighty modified to be mostly Godbound based. I might also modify some of the cities.

I also like of what there to be an island in the sand sea that houses the Bright Republic. Hehe

Bob Something
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

That said, I don't find the concept of 'defiling magic' to be all that incongruent with Godbound. One could see it as a really corner-cutting form of low magic (and some limited theurgic-level spellcasting).

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

Hmm. Interesting. Okay yeah. Like a way for a mortal to boost themselves. Nod. Nod. I actually can see that.

Obviously being Godbound removes the ability to do that as they are aligned with creation.

I could also see parasite gods (aka the sorcerer kings) are somewhat naturally defilers as that is how they get access to the damaged Words.

Bob Something
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

One could even see a similar concept as a WILLING transformation into a 'Parasite God' through low magic. Humanity (and sanity) exchange for the ability to suck power from creation itself. A horrible way of living that no sane person would take but a Dark Sun-esque world is not one where 'sane' people as we'd understand would be found.

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

Makes sense and has a place. It shows that with the world dying people have truly stopped super caring.

To this backdrop of corrupted magical traditions come the Godbound players and there hope for the future.

Of course there are many beings, and creatures and forces, which don't want any hope other thrn theirs to exist. Hence the interesting plots of the campaign.

Bob Something
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

I'm going to shoot this idea here, too: one could also do the reverse of Dark Sun. A world grown cold, with a dying sun which bring little to no heat.

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

I would love that quite a lot as well. With snow and storm and frozen landscapes full of desiccated trees and frozen husks of long dead creatures. The bastions of civilizations revolve around gyzers of fire which provide heat and sun.

My 'problem' is that while I have books on a desert wasteland environment I lack something easily designed for a cold wasteland environment.

Though I admit that the flosting remnants of Draenor might be an equivalent.

But yes. Really good idea!

And if you have further ideas on it I would like to hear. :)

Bob Something
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

I might try (down the line, who knows?) make a blog post about this whole concept of combining ideas from pre-existing setting material and Godbound? If I link back to your original post, this conversation, would it be okay with you?

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

Of course, not a problem. Sharimg campaign ideas are always great, and very much welcome.

Carl Pellegrini
2017-12-12T01:45:41.611Z

As an aside there are other forms of wastelands as well which could serve as great backdrops.

Heck the idea could be that the Old Empires destroyed the world in an attempt to become More. Since then the world is floating chunks in a vast void.

Hmm. Interesting. Hehe